The way president Trump talks about Black people, it’s clear he is frightened by African-Americans.

Tony Schwartz, the ghostwriter of The Art of the Deal, explains exactly how Donald Trump views the Black community—a mix of fascination and fear.

In a recent CNN interview, Schwartz appeared to discuss the recent feud between Trump and Lavar Ball. Host John Berman asked Schwartz if he thought the hostility was fueled by “what Lavar Ball said or, as some are alleging, how he looks.”

“Both,” replied Schwartz. “So first of all, his father (LaVar Ball) is a tall black man and I think Trump is half awed and half frightened by black people and his only way of dealing with them is to attack them.”

After the president allegedly helped convince the Chinese President to release Ball’s son LiAngelo and two other UCLA basketball players who were caught shoplifting. Trump was not happy with the response from the three young men or Lavar Ball.

“I think what Tony said was correct, that there are these dual motivations on his part,” Trump biographer Michael D’Antonio said during the segment.

“On the one hand it is racial, on the other hand he [Trump] has very thin skin.”

Indeed, Trump responded to Ball’s disastrous CNN interview with Chris Cuomo by calling Ball a “poor man’s Don King but without the hair” and an “ungrateful fool.”

‘It wasn’t the White House, it wasn’t the State Department, it wasn’t father LaVar’s so-called people on the ground in China that got his son out of a long-term prison sentence – IT WAS ME,’ Trump added.